Posts by Frazzled UBM

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Breaking News :Charity Commission takes Wathtower to Tribunal in Britain

by raymond frantz in

breaking news :charity commission takes watchtower to charity tribunal in britain.

two weeks ago we run an article about the abuse case in moston manchester congregation .it would seem that the coverage from the main local newspaper manchester evening news and two national newspapers has alarmed the charity commission the official regulator for charities in england and wales and now for the first time !

they opened an official investigation on both charities ,the local one ,moston congragation and the central one jehovah's witnesses of britain indicating that in their eyes these two are connected and liable for any misconduct .this is the time for a concentrated campaign from all of us to inform the charity commission why the watchtower should not be a called a charity .the article above has a link for the charity commission complaint page .follow it!.

Frazzled UBM

My complaint submitted to the Charity Commission under the heading 'harm to beneficiaries':

"The organisation expects its members (rank and file Jehovah's Witnesses) to get their children to study and accept as truth the organisation's publications and have a book specifically targetted at children ('My Bible Studies') which has graphically violent imagery and stories designed to develop a phobia that 'Jehovah' will kill and harm all those who do not obey him (and his organisation, the WatchTower Bible and Tract Society). While the book uses bible stories it selects and embelishes them to make them more frightening. My wife is a Jehovah's Witness and I found out she had been secretly reading this book with my son. I was horrified to read the book and see the violent imagery and stories. My son was relieved when I explained to him that the stories were not real as they had been causing him nightmares. I was able to persuade my wife that this material was inappropriate for a 6 year old child and so she stopped reading it to him but I fear for those chilren whose parents are both Jehovah's Witnesses and obey the organsiation by exposing their children to this material. I believe that exposure to this frightening phobia-inducing imagery is a form of child abuse."

I would encourage all JWN members in the UK to make complaints under the same heading about the pyschological impact of shunning, the breaking up of families etc. It would be great if we could get the scope of the Commission's inquiry expanded to encapsulate all the abusive practices of the WBTS.

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What is your biggest gripe with the WT and it's teachings?

by FL_Panthers in

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as the title says, please list what you find annoying with the organization..

Frazzled UBM

The use of phobias to indoctrinate children so the WBTS can manipulate them psychologically later in life. I believe this is a form of child abuse.

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Obama Speaks as The Great Whore

by scotoma in

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obama speaks at us war cemetery on d-day landings anniversary.

"united states of america is and will remain the greatest force for freedom the world has ever known.".

on may 28, obama delivered a commencement address to the us armys newest officers at west point, where he argued america would remain an empire forever.. .

Frazzled UBM

Sorry that should have been 'none of it came to pass'

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Obama Speaks as The Great Whore

by scotoma in

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obama speaks at us war cemetery on d-day landings anniversary.

"united states of america is and will remain the greatest force for freedom the world has ever known.".

on may 28, obama delivered a commencement address to the us armys newest officers at west point, where he argued america would remain an empire forever.. .

Frazzled UBM

Scotoma - you are delusionary - listen to Apognophos - Revelations was all about the Roman Empire and one of it came to pass - the Bible has zero prophetic value. Stop peddling your ridiculous views on here. Fraz

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Longform article on the JW: 'In the Belly of Jehovah'

by nomoreklondikes in

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some of you might know me from this thread.

i wrote a longform article, 'in the belly of jehovah', on the jehovah's witnesses for an australian magazine, which today has been published online: .

http://theliftedbrow.com/post/88214463157/in-the-belly-of-jehovah-by-pete-nicholson.

Frazzled UBM

I read it - I didn't get anything out of it except the fact that the ex-heroin addict had exchanged one addiction for another. A bit too subtle in its critique for my liking. The reference to phobias due to the emphasis on Armageddon was good but not mentioning the fact that they were deliberately implanted by the WBTS meant the point was lost a little bit. The impact on kids who are brought up (indoctrinated) in the religion and have no choice (and the fact that those kids are the growth strategy in the West for the organisation - alluded to but not expanded on), the fact that elders have so much control over the lives of the congregation but lack the skills to perform the role, the way Witness are taught to always feel they are not good enough and the psychologically damaging impact of shunning should have all have gotten a run. The tension between freedom of religion and engaging in abusive practices is the biggest one that was missed.

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CO Visits

by Frazzled UBM in

more questions from an uninformed ubm: do co visits all happen at the same time each year?

is now co visit season?

what does this mean in terms of harrassing inactive memebers to come to meetings?

Frazzled UBM

oh crap - thanks for the heads up Da.Furious. Let's see what happens - I will try to warn her about the love bombing and tell her to expect it but to realize that if she resumes regular attendance they will again start treating her as a second class citizen for having a UBM and not being able to get her son to come. Good luck with your wife. Cheers Fraz

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Troll Accusations

by Frazzled UBM in

i have noticed that some of us are a bit too eager to label new posters as trolls.

while it is clear that there are some posters who just like to stir up trouble or are out and out apologists there are others who are witnesses starting to have genuine doubts and so ask questions but then when they see the responses the cognitive dissonance kicks in and they push back and argue with what they are being told.

this can lead to very negative reactions from jwn members and accusations that the person is a troll.

Frazzled UBM

Da.Furious - I would be happy to meet you, perhaps with Laika. Can you get into London on a weekday evening? Cheers Fraz

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Big Time Hypocrite

by Iamallcool in

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my dad told me this story long time ago.

there was an long time elder that is never married.

he got caught going to brothel one day after a brother followed him there.

Frazzled UBM

Sparrowdown - such a sad story and the saddest part is that the poor woman never saw through the hypoocrisy of the org and got out. I imagine she is a very sad bitter woman as a consequence. Hopefully she will never realise the great hope of Paradise Earth is also a fraud - that is probably all she has to hang on to.

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CO Visits

by Frazzled UBM in

more questions from an uninformed ubm: do co visits all happen at the same time each year?

is now co visit season?

what does this mean in terms of harrassing inactive memebers to come to meetings?

Frazzled UBM

More questions from an uninformed UBM: Do CO visits all happen at the same time each year? Is now CO visit season? What does this mean in terms of harrassing inactive memebers to come to meetings?

The reason I am asking is that after being inactive for a couple of months my wife has gone back into cult behaviour mode (negtive, morose, non-communicative, quick to get angry) and so I asked her whether she was going to the KH this Sunday and she said yes.

When I asked her whether she had been chased up by the elders to go she was non-committal. I feel she has been guilted into this and she is showing the signs of low self-esteem that typically come when she is subject to WBTS influence. How long will the vigilance around the CO visit last?

I am hoping that after Sunday she will resume being inactive but I am obviously concerned that they will keep guilting her into going.

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Troll Accusations

by Frazzled UBM in

i have noticed that some of us are a bit too eager to label new posters as trolls.

while it is clear that there are some posters who just like to stir up trouble or are out and out apologists there are others who are witnesses starting to have genuine doubts and so ask questions but then when they see the responses the cognitive dissonance kicks in and they push back and argue with what they are being told.

this can lead to very negative reactions from jwn members and accusations that the person is a troll.

Frazzled UBM

I have noticed that some of us are a bit too eager to label new posters as trolls. While it is clear that there are some posters who just like to stir up trouble or are out and out apologists there are others who are Witnesses starting to have genuine doubts and so ask questions but then when they see the responses the cognitive dissonance kicks in and they push back and argue with what they are being told. This can lead to very negative reactions from JWN members and accusations that the person is a troll. jnjburkett was one example and FL_Panthers is another.

Well I had a beer with FL_Panthers last night and I can tell you he is far from being a troll. Unlike my experience talking to active Witnesses, he was very open, asked good questions, listened to what I had to tell him and tested it by reference to his Witness background as a way of deciding whether it made sense to him. I could see that he was having an internal battle between his rational side and his Witness side but that the rational side was in the ascendancy. Deep down he knew the problems but his upbringing (baggage such as a nagging concern that Armageddon might just happen) and concerns about family relationships were holding him back from embracing TTATT. But he has embarked on a course that will end up in him realizing TTATT. He knows that there are things he now understands that make it impossible for him to go back to being a fully fledged Witness.

So I know it is annoying when posters don't immediatley accept the validity of the wisdom and personal experiences offered to them on this board but remember the process you all went through (some faster than others) in learning TTATT and cut some of these newbies some slack and don't be too quick to condemn them as trolls.

Cheers Fraz